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23 Mar 2015 12:17 #23934

So, my cappo has just sold on ebay, pending payment. A kei sports car is incredibly hard to replace, particularly a cappo. Nippy, perfect handling, economical, cheap to tax/insure, unique etc etc. I've been craving a good naturally aspirated engine recently, and have been contemplating allsorts. (my massively varied list of considerations currently; another hilux pickup so I stop driving fast on the road, an altezza RS200 because it's probably the best and most tunable N/A available mated with an incredible chassis, a Beat because well it's a Beat! Or I could do the sensible thing, which of course is what I should be doing, and buy a little 1.0l alto new which is free tax, economical and I won't drive it like a tool.)
So yeah, that's where I'm at. So I'm asking you guys; what are the things to watch out for with a Beat? Common faults, part availability, tuning, what they're like to live with daily, fuel economy (both driven nicely, and driven hard) and is there anyone here that has done a vtec swap?

Any info, or a point in the right direction will be excellent!
Cheers,
Andy

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23 Mar 2015 21:28 #23937

Been a while since mine was on the road :(

First mistake people make with beats - they do not like being modified mechanically. As soon as I started doing flutes, re-maps and exhausts I started getting engine problems.

Beat parts can be difficult to get hold of, good choice of aftermarket parts but only in Japan.


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23 Mar 2015 22:53 #23939

Hmm.. Why is that? Something to do with electronically controlled itb's? I'd like to think I'm somewhat wiser than when I started out with my cappo, and I'm pretty confident I'll be able to do things better this time around. I would have thought getting a 3 pot N/A to run is pretty easy, do they have individual coils or is it distributor/ single coil pack? How is the timing picked up?

The internals, are they much good? Anyone know the limits of the crank/rods/pistons?

Failing that, a vtec swap shouldn't be *too* difficult for what would be an incredible gain in N/A power.

How do they behave when getting pushed around corners? Natural understeer? Is there much in the way of snap oversteer?

The only ones I can see for sale are both well over 100 miles from me, so going to test drive one myself may be a tad difficult.

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24 Mar 2015 18:35 #23942

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In my opinion I think the engines are on their limit. Honda are one of only a few who squeezed 64bhp out of the 660cc without a turbo. A few people sign up to the owners club saying they'll be different, their engine will be ok but they usually have to eat their words or their beats are suddenly up for sale again.


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24 Mar 2015 18:44 #23943

Ah I wouldn't say on their limit, just over complicated and doesn't like change. Any engine can be made to whatever spec you want, it just takes time/money/skill/knowledge.
I'd be actively looking to control the ITB's off a standalone ecu, run a cam timing pickup and go individual coils to completely eliminate any weak links - but to that effort it'd just be more beneficial to drop a B16 in.
I shall do a bit more research into them - the main thing I'm wanting to look into now would be chassis, if I am to change the engine/gearbox.
Do you know of anyone who has done a VTEC swap?

Andy

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10 May 2015 18:15 #24246

back yard special in japan did a b18cr swap pretty much a custom rear subframe, gear shift cables, custom fuel tank, custom manifold and exhaust system, rear lcas where custom to. Guy in russia also done a b16 swap but again pretty much custom everything he was on more of a budget had to run a silly ride height to stop sump from scraping.

d16z6 or d15b swap would be within the realms of reason just without having to do a custom rear subframe but still plenty of work getting that to go in.

Common faults on the early batch are dizzy later ones are ok, capacitors usually go in the ecu due to where the ecu is so heat from engine bay doesn't help. Otherwise everything else is easily fixable, parts everything from Japan if you want after market stuff, plenty of tuning options for the 656cc lump depends how much money you intend to put into it.

Getting more than 64bhp is doable but it's case of choose mods wisely and get a proper tune on it


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